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Posted 6 Months ago
brian1905
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This was posted to Europg list by a new pilot in UK - I've replied as best I can from a UK perspective - can any US pilots add anything from their experience?

I see you're at Sheffield, by your address - me too! (living, not at the Uni)

Er - well, there is A legal frequency in the UK -approx 118 Mhz in the Airband - (I forget the actual spot freq) - but you'll be badly advised to try and use it - you'll be talking to yourself!

NO one I know of uses airband radios for HG/PG in the UK - they're too expensive, the speech quality is poor (they're AM, not FM), and there is only ONE channel you can use legally. Imagine a crowded day on a busy site - 40+ pilots around - and all trying to use one channel? Chaos.

That's why, for many years, ALL HGPG pilots have used 2 metre equipment.

This equipment is set to operate from 144.00 - 146.00 Mhz, and can be used legally by licenced radio amateurs (although not while flying!).

Pilots 'open up' the frequency range.

(the makers build in a trick 'trapdoor' in software so that this can be done AFTER the set has been legally imported in it's 2M mode - usually, it's a funny combination of key presses - sometimes you have to unsolder a link inside). The set will then work above 146 Mhz and below 144 Mhz.

In the UK, I must stress that it is important NOT to use frequencies above 146 Mhz, or below 143.8 Mhz - there are other services around, such as ambulances, police, etc, and you can spoil their transmissions without knowing that you are doing so.

The frequencies used by HG/PG are in the range 143.800 - 143.975, in 25Khz jumps. The common 'calling frequency' is 143.950. No one else uses these frequencies in the UK.

These 2 metre sets are cheap, reliable, and perform well, with good range, and clear speech. Unfortunately, they are totally illegal!

However, that needn't worry you - there is no record of prosecution of a pilot in the UK. This piece of band is empty of other users, and anyway, there aren't any vans with spinning roofracks at 3 grand in a thermal......

On the other hand, if a PG pilot approaches you with a flashing blue light on his helmet - fly away!

I repeat; NO ONE uses the legal 118 Mhz frequency (go on, someone, surprise me!), and if you buy a legal Airband AM radio, you'll have no one to talk to on it.

So, for use in the UK, 2 Metre it is, or nothing. The gubmint have promised, some time in the future, an allocation in the 137-138Mhz band (which 2M gear will often tune down to, not that they care) - but it depends on Europe (what doesn't, for Gawd's sake?) and will take, no doubt, many years to arrive.

In the US, it's a mixture. Some pilots use 2 Metre also, and I think (but may stand corrected) that it's the most common mode. However, the USHGA have negotiated a frequency or two in the Business Radio band, which is, I believe around 155 Mhz. (Which a 2M set can also be expanded to cover if you're over there.)

However, I have heard US pilots complain that, as these are shared frequencies with other business users, and as a HGPG can pick up signals from many miles away when at height (like 150 miles+), the 'official' USHGA frequencies are unusable in some parts of the US.

Therefore, I suspect that US pilots, like us, use 2 metre gear mostly.

So, if I were to advise you to do anything, it is:

Buy a 2 metre set that can be expanded - and ask the store to do it for you before purchase, otherwise you may be fobbed off with a non- expandable model.

These, like most things, may be cheaper in the US than here. Whether US models can be expanded in the same way as European models, I don't know. Any US readers of the list care to comment?

- Rod Buck - Rod Buck
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Posted 6 Months ago
Luddite
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Virtually the entire US HG/PG community uses 2 meter (note the spelling!) radios that have been modified to work above 146Mhz. USHGA has a license for frequency 151.625 that most pilots use. Another commonly used frequency is 151.955 - check local pilots.

The problem in the states is that radios and users are licensed separately. Most of the 2 meter radios sold can't legally be used above 146MHz (since they're not crystal-controlled). And you need a Ham license to legally use most other frequencies. The 151.xxx range is licensed to businesses and organizations. The FCC is GENERALLY looking the other way, as long as you don't interfere with other users, but there was a recent incident in the San Francisco area where they cracked down (someone was using the repeaters - generally reserved for police/fire/etc. - to talk through.)

One of the best things to happen lately is the creation by the FCC of 'Family' frequencies and radios, that happen to include 151.955 as one of the frequencies. These radios are quite inexpensive - around $50-$90 - but are not very powerful, hence have little range. The more expensive 2 meter radios are more like $200, but are 2-5 watts and reach much further.

Tone Squelch capability is useful - this is a small unit that listens for a sub-audible tone (programmed by the user) and suppresses signals emitting a tone, but not the specified one. This allows groups of users to share a frequency.

Generally, sound-activated microphones are a no-no. The common complaint is wind noise activation.

Floyd Rogers
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Posted 6 Months ago
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No it's not! it's 'metre' - you guys over there got it wrong....I bet you also mistake 'center' for 'centre', and 'aluminum' for 'aluminium' - heh heh.

And, while we're at it - a 'rubber' is a thing that schoolchildren use to sort out their mistakes - 'eraser' to you - mind you, I don't know, though...maybe I was right first time.....

and a 'john' is a 'kharzi' - brought back to UK from army guys serving in India - and, well, I could go on for hours, really.....

Yeah - and swearing in rough air - which gets broadcast to all and sundry - not to mention whimpering for Mum (Mom?) at moments of crisis - we caught out one guy who did this whilst wind-dummying a rough day at our local site - after he landed he was REAL cool and laid-back -

'How was it, mate?'

'Aw - OK, a bit rough, y'know?'

- we cracked up, we'd just heard him on vox-triggered mike for the last 10 minutes muttering that he wasn't going to sin ever again, if only Big G would let him live through this one....'Help! Mum!'

- Rod Buck
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Posted 6 Months ago
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'sniffle' etc.
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Posted 6 Months ago
jasy1
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More typically individual flying sites will be using their own agreed upon frequency in the 144-148 range, rather than the USHGA frequency.
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